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    Fix the dice!

    You know what? This place is becoming a freaking ghost town!!! Want to know why? You dont fix anything! You need to fix the dice and you need to stop all the new multi account people who on their first game come into 12 domains and know all the tricks and rules and always get perfect frigging dice and beat the snot off of good players!

    And you need to once, just freaking one time listen to someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Did you fix the dice in your new program?

    Did you?

    It takes up to 2 hours to get up a four man game now. It used to take 5 minutes! Guess why?

    If this is just a toy project for you fine. Just tell me and i wont ever say another word. But if you seriously are trying to tun a business off this site, try listening to people who are terying to tell you something for frigging years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Its like if you play 12 domains 1 v 1. 95% iof the games are a total waste of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Because one muppet will get perfect rolls and the other poor idiot who is wasting their time wont win a single roll for the entire game!

    If you dont believe me just ask the people who play the 12 d real time 1 v 1!!!!!!!!

    Why cant you listen to anybody ever?

    It's like 1 out of 50 games will be about skill of two players the rest of the time its a crap shoot over who gets lucky dice! And that is just ridiculous!

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    ASK THE PEOPLE WHO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR MAKE A PLACE FOR ME TO SHARE THE COMMENTS EVERYONE AND I MEAN EVERY FREAKING PERSON EXCEPT ONCE HAS MADE ABOUT THE INSANITY OF TRYING TO PLAY 12 D IN REAL TIME 1 V 1. GOD KNOWS YOU WILL never GET A 12d MULTI PLAYER GAME ANYMORE. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

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    Hi DD,

    I personally do understand your point about the dice. It can be extremely frustrating.
    As you mention in your 3 previous posts, sometimes the dice are a hell... Unfortunately this is part of a game were dice roll (eventhough it is virtually here). If tomorrow you play in real, you might roll very bad dice consecutively as well.

    This is not your first thread, and I am convinced that admins do read your posts and are willing to openly discuss things with you, however, there is a way to discuss things. And in my humble position, I do not believe that this is the way we want to discuss something...

    So before opening a new thread, I invite you to read this WIKI page where the working of the dice on this site are openly advised.

    Stay Calm and Love Dice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hortik View Post
    Hi DD,

    I personally do understand your point about the dice. It can be extremely frustrating.
    As you mention in your 3 previous posts, sometimes the dice are a hell... Unfortunately this is part of a game were dice roll (eventhough it is virtually here). If tomorrow you play in real, you might roll very bad dice consecutively as well.

    This is not your first thread, and I am convinced that admins do read your posts and are willing to openly discuss things with you, however, there is a way to discuss things. And in my humble position, I do not believe that this is the way we want to discuss something...

    So before opening a new thread, I invite you to read this WIKI page where the working of the dice on this site are openly advised.

    Stay Calm and Love Dice
    Sorry for being a bit rude...but that WIKI page does not tell anything how the dice works here. Yep, it says that Mersenne-Twister PRNG has been used...but nothing more. I have said it earlier in another thread that MT is good IF used correctly, however it can be by far from random if seeded incorrectly. Another point is that in practice all PRNGs provide integer numbers...not numbers between 1 and 6 so another possible bad practice could be used to reduce full range of PRNG output to dice range. Just simple modulo 6 DOES NOT provide uniform distribution!!!

    In addition that WIKI page describes the odds that when you should won >99% of attacks...but loosing the attack with such troops counts happens here much more than often than average of every 1/100 times...which should not happen.

    Luckily there is no money involved in games...if this site would be a casino then it would go to bankruptcy or be investigated by gambling authorities for insane incomes

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    Quote Originally Posted by miquel View Post
    Sorry for being a bit rude...but that WIKI page does not tell anything how the dice works here. Yep, it says that Mersenne-Twister PRNG has been used...but nothing more. I have said it earlier in another thread that MT is good IF used correctly, however it can be by far from random if seeded incorrectly. Another point is that in practice all PRNGs provide integer numbers...not numbers between 1 and 6 so another possible bad practice could be used to reduce full range of PRNG output to dice range. Just simple modulo 6 DOES NOT provide uniform distribution!!!

    In addition that WIKI page describes the odds that when you should won >99% of attacks...but loosing the attack with such troops counts happens here much more than often than average of every 1/100 times...which should not happen.

    Luckily there is no money involved in games...if this site would be a casino then it would go to bankruptcy or be investigated by gambling authorities for insane incomes
    NOt being rude, just talking a language which I do not understand

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    Hi Hortik. Nice to see you again.

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    Interesting, I play 12 domains all the time and haven't noticed a problem with the dice, they seem balanced to me. You seem reasonably new to the site based on your join date and on other players here. Maybe you need some more strategy practice on the map?

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    Thank you Miguel. BRILLIANT post!

    What I have shared in the past were numerical probabilities based on axiomatic statistics using standard deviations and log normal distributions. Sadly, NO ONE even looks closely at the evidence I have shared so I no longer know what to do except make the occasional "bitchin" post. I try and point out how many truly GREAT players who used to be REGULARS here no longer play on this site. And somehow, that does not seem to matter either. So... I'm at a loss to what management feels is the end game for this problem.

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    There has been plenty of discussions about the dice as long as I remember...also at a time when Badorties was still in charge. Every time all the threads has been concluded by the statement "That is the nature of dice" by site admins.

    That is an easy explanation...what I would really like to see is that dice generator is opened for public review to make sure that it is really random! Of course some details may/must be omitted that no-one could predict the dice values but the whole concept of random generator should be reviewed.

    Or in fact it as long as it is a piece of SW it won't be truly random. However in best case (if seeds and other aspects are really handled correctly) it would be truly pseudo-random...and if sequence length is enough and so on that would be the "random" that what we expect from the dice.

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