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    I like the map. Maybe the 2 airports could be incorporated, similarly to the Drop zones on the Africa map? Places they could bombard, possibly? And maybe Jersey should be split into 2 smaller commands? What if the airports were not part of any command, but a plus-1 with bombarding capability to various locations around the map? That would greatly decrease any linearity the map has. Anyway, looks like a great start, ajdedo.
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    Thanks. I thought Jersey could be a "neutral" zone since it isn't really part of New York.

    I thought maybe several different players could have troops on Jersey at the same time without having to battle for it.

    And yeah, the 2 airports have possibilities too.

    I guess I'll sketch out neighbourhoods and regions next.

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    My thoughts...

    Including any part of New Jersey will likely upset some New Yorkers, but it does make for a better map as it will allow additional connections to Staten Idea. I like the idea of making the regions there "neutral" - I assume this means not a part of a command.

    New York's airports aren't really used to bombard anybody, so far as I know. However, they would make for an interesting additional bonus similar to the oil fields bonus in Middle East. It could be set up so that if you hold all three airport you get +2 - it would be hard to hold, but with only three regions to hold it would be attractive at the start of the game.

    There's a size question: lots of regions and commands, or few? New York City has so many little neighborhoods worth depicting that I can see this being a large-ish map, 60-80 regions. With that many regions, six commands won't do - thus boroughs would need to be split up. The alternative is to keep each borough as a single command, which would mean the map would need to have only 35-45 regions or so. Because you want to have a couple of commands that can be held early in the game.

    An alternative that allows for both few commands and a large number of regions would be to allow a player to collect a bonus without holding the entire command; say if you hold any four regions in a command you get +2, any 6 is +3, any 8 is +4, etc. We don't have such a rule written for the site yet, but we could probably make it happen by the time the map is fully developed and the art completed.
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    Studio Production Manager Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd's Avatar
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    Here's what the larger version of a New York neighborhoods/boroughs map might look like. Each borough has a LOT of regions, so I'm setting up partial bonuses for holding half of a borough. We could either color code each borough with a north and south half that could be held independently, OR we could create a new rule to go with the map that gives a bonus for holding X regions within a set (this is on the to-do list already). Either method would be interesting.

    I've gone ahead and given the New Jersey command(s) a bonus, since they're so big. Don't want to have dead space on the map.

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    I made an error, and listed Queens twice in the key... the first "queens" should be Staten Island.
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    Studio Production Manager Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd is a name known to all Shepherd's Avatar
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    I'm going to keep going ahead with this map idea, because I personally think it's the best we have going so far... and I could see this becoming a series of urban/city maps.

    Here's what i think would be a far superior version of a New York map; smaller, 42 regions, with straightforward bonuses. Since there aren't many great places to start there are special bonuses for holding all three airports and all three stadiums. I feel smaller is better for this map because so much of the map area is water/dead space... trying to cram all of those regions into Manhattan is possible, but it will be rather messy to play on. I like clean maps.

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    Meh - caught an error. Jersey has ten regions in this version. It's still 42 total - I was toying with making Queens 1- and Jersey nine, and I'm still not sure which is better. Probably Queens at 10, since we're trying to downplay the Jersey side.

    The idea that was discussed earlier about giving no bonus for New Jersey is a good one... the Jersey regions would still have value for their part in the stadium and airport bonuses, and as a route of travel from Manhattan to Staten Island. That would actually make the map pretty interesting IMHO.
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    Personally I also like the cleaner version, especially where manhattan is so cramped in the first.
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    Berlin looks like an excellent city for a map.

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    Hey dread, this thread has pretty much turned into a New York City map discussion. I've changed the name of the thread to reflect that. But I'd be open to discussing a Berlin map in another thread. In fact, I've already made a Berlin map for another site, which I wouldn't mind taking another crack at.
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    Hey Shep - Sorry I haven't replied. A few ideas I had while I was "away" included ->

    1) perhaps using the underground subway system as a way to join regions if needed.
    2) And when I mentioned Jersey as Neutral, I was thinking that more than 1 player could occupy Jersey at the same time, in safety, without the need to attack or be attacked.

    ------------------ EDIT ---------------------

    Actually, now that I saw your maps - the subway idea probably won't fit.

    Perhaps on another day we could do ONLY a subway map - like for NY or LONDON which has a famous underground.


    ------------------ EDIT II ------------------

    What about a simple map - but with inner city regions - similar to the BRITISH ISLES map.

    You can have HARLEM or CENTRAL PARK as an insert or extension of the main NY map.
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    If you decide to go for more neighborhoods, why not just make it like the sub-commands in Asia. But put 3 or 4 different sub-command in the larger borough command.

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